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i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both. >> gradually. >>>> the president seems to be deal -- a two-for-one every $1 of tax increase, he expenses by $2. . 1-2-3on-bowles had a ratio. republicans want zero. >> the business community does want us to go over the cliff. >> if he uses different -- orage, whether their republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you have e an nancy pelosi taking the position that it $1 million, not $250,000. said make itas $500,000. movement ise the going to come. >> we are nibbling at the edges. know, but that is where comes.ement >> i is there a deal behind clod doors that that we don't know about? i don't think so. posturing at this point. >> the tea party is not as was.g as it the memberswho came bac
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. ♪ here a cheap, there a cheap, everywhere a cheap... you get it. so, what if instead of just a cheap choice, you could make a smart choice? like, esurance for example. they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning. it's
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it o off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. t. wow. nice place. yeah. [ chuckles ] the family thinks i'm out shipping these. smooth move. you used priority mail flat rate boxes. if it fits, it ships for a low, flat rate. paid for postage online and arranged a free pickup. and i'm gonna tra
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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it ended with what looked like a big handshake between the president and john boehner. james rosen has the report live from the white house. hey, james. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi says congress wants to show a message of confidence to the markets and she said they should aim to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff by christmas. the special lasted just over an hour. president obama said nothing explicit about reining in entitlement spending. instead the chief executive spoke about approaching the deficit in a balanced way and talked about long-term impediments to growth. >> i think we are all aware that we have some urgent business to do. we have got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle class families and our economy remains strong that we are creating jobs and that's an agenda democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country share. >> reporter: republican leaders gave no indication they are willing to entertain the idea that the president wants them to, namely the raising of tax rates on some particular categories of i
it ended with what looked like a big handshake between the president and john boehner. james rosen has the report live from the white house. hey, james. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi says congress wants to show a message of confidence to the markets and she said they should aim to strike a deal on the fiscal cliff by christmas. the special lasted just over an hour. president obama said nothing explicit about reining in entitlement spending. instead the chief executive...
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the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able to pull it off. >> the key there is the faster that it happens, the more likely it is to happen and the longer it drags on, the less likely it gets. john stanton, thank you very being with us. appreciate it. >> sure. >>> best new thing in the world, flat earth edition in a good way, is straight ahead. [ male announcer ] a european-inspired suspension, but not from germany. ♪ a powerful, fuel-efficient engine, but it's not from japan. ♪ it's a car like no other... inspired by a place like no other. introducing the all-new 2013 chevrolet malib
the big problem there was going to be john boehner. he has been very explicit about his position on this. he says we're not going to raise tax rates. we can increase revenues by getting rid of some of the loopholes and deduction, but he doesn't want to see that. that's very much an explicit tax increase. the other things are tax increases, but you can fudge in how you talk about it. so it could, if enough pressure comes on leadership and if they feel like they get a majority, they might be able...
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that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today, extremely interesting when president obama was asked about comments from his former opponent, john mccain, who made some nasty comments about susan rice, the united states ambassador to the u.n. and she may well be the head of the state department soon. here's the president responding in a very personal way. i thought this was really a moment here. >> let me say specifically about susan rice. she has done exemlary work. she has represented the united states and united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and great.
that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today,...
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the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a commitment to discuss entitlement reform. >> what you did hear from the president is a statement that the american people knew what they were get what they re-elected me. he also said there is a big contrast between me and mitt romney on the campaign trail and i'm the guy who won the election. >> as one of our smart viewers tweeted in which i thought was so smart -- it's all fun and games until you have to name specific entitlements you want to cut. right? we need more specifics from both sides. all right, going to a break here but after the break, steve leisman, stick around. we also have something today called
the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a...
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they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you cannot tax your way out of this debt, you cannot slash expenses and get out of this in debt. you have got to do both. >> somewhat gradually. >> the president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal -- for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut expenses by $2. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. the republicans want zero. >> but they have the business community that does not want us to go for the cliff -- >> if you use a different language, are there republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50
they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you...
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boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people with sort of the seeing this game of chicken being played at such a high stakes time. i think there is certainly, after this election, there is kind of a let's get down to business. let's see if we can get this thing done. whether that can translate -- david just said, the biggest sticking point, taxes on the wealthy is still on the table. you can sing happy birthday to john boehner as much as you want. gwen: he would still say no. >> absolutely. i think it's really premature to try to predict what is going to ha
boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people...
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thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the country, this country a much greater deal of certainty and security that our health care system is going to be there for them if they need it. >> well, arkoosh i think in addition to the fact we live in a nation where we're taxed for merely existing, there are still some people who aren't decided about obama care. in fact, politico had exit polling after the election showing the country's split down the middle on whether obama care should be repealed, partially or interly or kept. "forbes" has an article out called "five ways to protect yourself against obamacare." a concern is a doctor participate in a mass exodu
thank you. >> so now that we have accepted even in boehner land that obama care is the law of the land, do you think that this will make the american health care system better? >> absolutely. i think that we are entering a period of time where we can get down to the very hard work that needs to be done to improve the health care of nation. and now that we are past the election and all sides agree that the affordable care act is the law of the land it gives the patients in the...
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that's going to stay john boehner. they're actually fighting for the number four job in the house. the contest was tom price against one of the precious few republican women in the house, cathy mcmorris rodgers. and there were some interesting politics at work here. miss mcmorris rodgers had the support of speaker john boehner, but tom price had the support of this guy, the republican party's vice presidential nominee, paul ryan. in the end, it was cathy mcmorris rodgers who won. paul ryan's guy lost. and so even as they lose the presidency, thanks to a devastating gender gap in the polls, and at the same time they send even fewer republican women to congress than were there before, republicans did today pick for this small, low-profile national republican number four leadership role an actual woman. and that's the best they've ever done. that's the highest ranking gop woman there has ever been in the house. back over on the senate side, republicans are faced with a dilemma set up for them by john mccain, as i was just discussing with bill burton. john mccain is suggesting that the
that's going to stay john boehner. they're actually fighting for the number four job in the house. the contest was tom price against one of the precious few republican women in the house, cathy mcmorris rodgers. and there were some interesting politics at work here. miss mcmorris rodgers had the support of speaker john boehner, but tom price had the support of this guy, the republican party's vice presidential nominee, paul ryan. in the end, it was cathy mcmorris rodgers who won. paul ryan's...
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. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10. -- republicans want zero. >> business community does not want us to go over the cliff. >> what the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal in the works be
. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and...
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. >> deirdre walton, cnn, since the elections john boehner has been talking about what to negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff and says he is open to new revenue and willingness to compromise. i was wondering what you think of his position on this, and if you are right to support him this afternoon? >> i do not know if you are here earlier when i spoke about the 10-1 deal. i want to see where they are willing to cut. olive heard is that the democrats are saying they are not willing to cut anything in. the president had a meeting last night with the labor unions, all of these separate liberal groups. and everyone of those groups to the president that he should not deliver anything on a reforms of our entitlement system, but you should insure the delivers a tax increase. i do not think they are open- minded in any way. i think we need to stop negotiating with ourselves. and we need to wait for the democrats to actually give us an offer that is a real serious offer. we need to stop speaking amongst ourselves. he won the presidency, let him lead. >> i believe that revenue is important par
. >> deirdre walton, cnn, since the elections john boehner has been talking about what to negotiate a deal on the fiscal cliff and says he is open to new revenue and willingness to compromise. i was wondering what you think of his position on this, and if you are right to support him this afternoon? >> i do not know if you are here earlier when i spoke about the 10-1 deal. i want to see where they are willing to cut. olive heard is that the democrats are saying they are not willing...
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not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. jon: a fox news alert now on a deadly train crash at a parade honoring our nation's heroes. the images from midland, texas, where police say a freight train slammed into a parade float carrying wounded veterans. four people were killed. more than a dozen others injured. casey seeing fell live in midland, texas, with more on this tragedy. casey? >> reporter: yeah, jon, union pacific railroad spo
not the president who is the problem it's john boehner's lack of control of his own party. jon: you hear john boehner telling the president to show some leadership. >> i hope he goes to his caucus and is able to corral them. >> if you want economic growth you lower taxes. jon: julie and monica, thank you. >> thank you. jon: and we'll be right back. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it...
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i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about growth and that she is confident a solution is in sight. sounds good, too. and then the house minority leader or rather the minority leader mitch mcconnell also suggesting that this was a constructive meeting and that we are prepared to put revenue on the table. they just emerged from the meeting. looked like they were going right back in. maybe they were going to have lunch. i don't know. they sure deserve it if they're able to come to rhetoric like that any any case. take to you break for a moment and hopefully i can scramble up wolf blitzer. gi
i missed some of the comments that john boehner made. let me give you a quick summary of the highlights here, and let's call them highlights because finally kumbaya. hope it lasts. the senate majority leader harry reid suggested both of us, we're both going to have to give up what we want and call this the cornerstone of working something out. that sounds good. then nancy pelosi, the house minority leader, saying that this has to be about cuts. this has to be about revenue. this has to be about...
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that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make a bet on any of this? that's really what i'm asking. between now and year end, when the bush tax cuts expire at year end, what's a stock market investor to do? you're going to go up, you're going to go down. you saw today you had a is 00-point swing. but that's no way to be invested. what is your advice on how investors play this fiscal debate? >> i understand the sentiment that the wise thing to do is to take a long-term perspective. but every once in a while we experienced this in the summer of 2008. we're experiencing it again now. every once
that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make...
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the president wants to generate $1.6 trillion in revenue over 10 years and speaker boehner said he is more interested in half that amount. >>shepard: all of the tax cuts are going to expire because the republicans and democrats signed off on it. what they can do now is re-instate the tax cuts. >>gerri: extend them. >>shepard: the president is vetoing them for the richest. if they don't do anything they expire if everyone. the fiscal cliff has had problems and impact on how corporations are doing business. >>gerri: these are new numbers, the "wall street journal" put these out saying that overall spending by companies is down 1.3 percent and capital spending down, as well. companies are retrenching, spending less. they decided they want to spend husband h -- spend less because this is uncertainty. >>gerri: we need the companies to hire people and expand and open more plants around the world and in the united states. >>shepard: that would be nice. >> we have the executive business editor and assistant managing editor of the the "wall street journal," parent company of this network. wher
the president wants to generate $1.6 trillion in revenue over 10 years and speaker boehner said he is more interested in half that amount. >>shepard: all of the tax cuts are going to expire because the republicans and democrats signed off on it. what they can do now is re-instate the tax cuts. >>gerri: extend them. >>shepard: the president is vetoing them for the richest. if they don't do anything they expire if everyone. the fiscal cliff has had problems and impact on how...
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harry reid and john boehner staying put. the president back in, what people would expect musical chairs. none will happen. it's the same people in the same positions and yesterday senate majority leader mitch mcconnell took to the floor and said they won't compromise. we had that interview with paul ryan with abc's jonathan karl saying it's not a mandate. they have a divided government so they'll continue with back and forth of head butting and the taxes should not be raised on wealthiest americans. are we headed just for the same old same old once again? >> i don't think so. first of all we are very pleased about nancy pelosi remaining as leader. she's done an extraordinary job in helping to increase our numbers here on the democratic side, in raising the money that was necessary for us to strengthen our hand here in the house and so she has done such a good job that we urged her to please stay on and that experience really does count. let me just say this, there is some posturing going on and i do think that this posturing
harry reid and john boehner staying put. the president back in, what people would expect musical chairs. none will happen. it's the same people in the same positions and yesterday senate majority leader mitch mcconnell took to the floor and said they won't compromise. we had that interview with paul ryan with abc's jonathan karl saying it's not a mandate. they have a divided government so they'll continue with back and forth of head butting and the taxes should not be raised on wealthiest...
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there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform. >> you want to grant design. that's very -- interesting point of view. >> doesn't have to be grand. we play to take two bites at it, debt ceiling coming up which i think, by the way, debt ceiling is the more important day personally than the fiscal cliff issue because we are not fiscal cliff is not going to happen. okay. simply is not going to happen. so -- to me, the focus ought to be on solvency and if we can deal with that and take a big step out of that, big step towards solving that, during this december, i agree with you. i think the
there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform....
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...